Sunday Mar 09, 2025

Ep. 21 The History of Christadelphian Bible Prophecy with Zinnia

In today’s episode, Zinnia does a deep dive on the history of Christadelphian “prophecies” and apocalyptic predictions! She starts with the origins of the “prophetic arithmetic” methods by a rather infamous American in the 1840’s, follows the early prophecies by John Thomas and Robert Roberts, and leads into conversations around prophecies, high control groups, and cognitive dissonance in the modern era. We also chat about aliens, people on Instagram talking about the modern feelings of doom, and some incriminating definitions around their prophetic beliefs that make the Christadelphians look more than just a little bit culty.

Ready to learn some Christadelphian history? Let’s get into it!

Listener Discretion Advised.

Resources and References:

Toy Story (1995) “The Claw”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atUUjSLMSiM

William Miller and the Great Disappointment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment

The Great Disappointment of William Miller:

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/thereligioushistorynerd/2024/04/the-great-disappointment-of-willliam-miller/

Millerism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millerism

The Seekers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seekers_(rapturists)

The Theory of Cognitive Dissonance and the book “When Prophecy Fails”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails

Wikipedia: History of the Seventh-day Adventists Church:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Seventh-day_Adventist_Church#:~:text=The%20Seventh%2Dday%20Adventist%20Church%20formed%20out%20of%20the,known%20today%20as%20the%20Millerites.

More Millerite History:

https://st.network/analysis/top/the-second-coming-files-a-2000-year-investigation-part-vii-adventism-after-the-great-disappointment-adventist.html

https://lineagejourney.com/read/the-advent-movement-beyond-the-great-disappointment/

The Disappointed: Millerite Adventists and Their “New World”

https://adventistdigitallibrary.org/features/the-disappointed

The Advent Movement Beyond the Great Disappointment:

https://lineagejourney.com/read/the-advent-movement-beyond-the-great-disappointment/

The Christadelphian Magazine/ The Ambassador of the Coming Age:

January 1866, October 1893, May 1893, October 1897

https://thechristadelphianlibrary.com/category/digital-library/magazines/

John Thomas: His Friends & His Faith by Peter Hemingray

https://www.amazon.com/John-Thomas-Friends-Christadelphian-Tidings/dp/B0CJSQFWF9

Joseph Marsh:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Marsh_(Adventist)

Eureka: An Exposition of the Apocalypse by John Thomas

https://www.antipas.org/pdf_files/eureka_vol_1_lg.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eureka:_An_Exposition_of_the_Apocalypse

Elpis Israel, 7th edition 1897

https://coggc.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Elpis-Israel-John-Thomas-1897.pdf

Elpis Israel with Publishers Comments (2000)

https://antipas.org/pdf_files/elpis_israel_1.pdf

“My Days and My Ways” by Robert Roberts

https://www.antipas.org/pdf_files/my_days_and_my_ways.pdf

“Robert Roberts: A Study of Life and Character” by Islip Collyer

https://www.amazon.com/Robert-Roberts-Study-Life-Character/dp/B002IA7KJE

Whose line is it anyways “The show where everything’s made up and the points don’t matter”

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0163507/taglines/#:~:text=It's%20the%20show%20where%20everything's,the%20points%20don't%20matter!

Waiting for Godot by Samuel Beckett

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot

Christendom Astray by Robert Roberts (including Chapter 16 and the prophecy on page 271)

https://www.antipas.org/pdf_files/astray.pdf

Wikipedia: ‘Christendom Astray from the Bible”

“In the 1951 edition published by The Christadelphian Office, chapter 16 entitled 'Evidence that the End is Near' was deleted because the start of the millennium age did not start as predicted by 1910.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christendom_Astray_from_the_Bible

“What They Said Would Happen: A Review of Christadelphians Predictions” by John Hutchinson, January 2000

https://ed5015.tripod.com/ReligChristadelphianPredictions70.htm

Emperor Nicholas I:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_I_of_Russia

The Princess Bride (1987 ) “Have fun storming the castle!”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Princess_Bride_(film)

World War I Timeline:

https://www.loc.gov/collections/stars-and-stripes/articles-and-essays/a-world-at-war/timeline-1914-1921/#:~:text=July%2028%2C%201914,Serbia%2C%20beginning%20World%20War%20I.

Scooby Doo:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooby-Doo

Godzilla:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godzilla

Keep Sweet: Pray and Obey (Netflix)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keep_Sweet:_Pray_and_Obey

Clifford the Big Red Dog:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_the_Big_Red_Dog

The Bible, Matthew 24:34:

"Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled"

Willy Wonka Golden Ticket:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Ticket

The Princess Bride (1987):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Princess_Bride_(film)

“Have fun storming the castle!”

Finding Nemo (2003)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ1KDf3O-qU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finding_Nemo

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/christadelphian

Dictionary.com definition of a Christadelphian: a member of a Christian millenarian sect founded in the US about 1848, holding that only the just will enter eternal life, that the wicked will be annihilated, and that the ignorant, the unconverted, and infants will not be raised from the dead

Millenarianism: “Millenarianism is the belief by a religious, social, or political group or movement in a coming fundamental transformation of society, after which "all things will be changed"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millenarianism

Apocalypticism: “Apocalypticism is the religious belief that the end of the world is imminent, even within one's own lifetime”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypticism

Doomsday Cult: “A doomsday cult is a cult that believes in apocalypticism and millenarianism”

Ep. 21 The History of Christadelphian Bible Prophecy with Zinnia

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